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On the form of "具" + An inquiry on the forms of certain characters #47

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cz127fn opened this issue Aug 2, 2024 · 5 comments
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@cz127fn
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cz127fn commented Aug 2, 2024

First of all, I would like to express my sincere gratitude for all your effort in maintaining these fonts.

Currently, in the TC versions of your fonts, the character "具" is rendered with the "目" component separate from the bottom part, making it different from the right part of "俱." This form is used in Japanese Shinjitai, and the argument for it being the traditional printing form does not seem strong. My recommendation is to use the same form as the TW versions.

Furthermore, Source Han fonts do not seem to include forms that match the traditional printing form of some characters, including some commonly found ones such as "菸" and "碳," in any of its editions, causing your fonts to include them in forms inconsistent with the vast majority of other characters. Am I correct in believing that manually editing the fonts to make them more consistent is something that you would not consider doing?

Thank you, and please feel free to use Chinese in your response.

@aikahiiragi
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我對「具」字的意見是相反,認爲在TC應該盡量用「目」與「丌」分離的版本。

中文大辭典:
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訂正康熙字典:
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開成石經:
image image image image等等……

在Glyphwiki中,也可看到「目」與「丌」分離的版本是很受歡迎的:
https://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u5177

@cz127fn
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cz127fn commented Aug 2, 2024

Thank you for your reply.

I am not sure about 中文大辭典, but in 訂正康熙字典, "倶" is listed instead of "俱." Since "俱" is from "人" + "具" and it seems uncommon for "俱" and "具" to take different forms in the same document (apart from Japanese), I think whichever form is chosen should be applied to all characters that contain "具," even if they have different code points (as your fonts do with "爲" and "為"; "兪" and "俞"; etc).

For my second question, I'm assuming your response is a negative.

@aikahiiragi
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cz127fn 你好,我只是普通使用者一名,不是製作的大大。我只是說一說自己意見罷了。

「具」字,或者其他含有「具」的字,我也不時在書本中看到「目」與下方分離的,我所指的並不是日文書,而是中文書。而我比較喜歡這字形,不覺得是"uncommon",也覺得這字形比較有根據。雖然現在的電腦字體是少了看到這種字形,但既然有TC和TW兩種選擇,我會更希望TC能有這種「目」與下方分離的字形,而不是與TW一樣。

而 cz127fn 你說"second question",我沒有"negative"或"non-negative",是沒有回應。希望不要憑空"assuming"我。其實我英文能力差,我是先把你的內容丟進deepl.com中然後看的,但「具」字以外的另一個問題,我看了但看不懂,所以沒回應。如果不介意,同時又希望我這個普通使用者可以多嘴說說意見,希望可以用中文寫一遍(可以用翻譯網站後,修改好譯錯/看不明白的地方,方便我明白是說什麼)。是我的英文差,真的不好意思。

@cz127fn
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cz127fn commented Aug 2, 2024

cz127fn 你好,我只是普通使用者一名,不是製作的大大。我只是說一說自己意見罷了。

aikahiiragi 很抱歉,我以爲你是貢獻者之一,我完全搞錯了。
我身爲外行的一用戶,只是關於我所發現的一些事物開了一個issue而已。

我能明白支持「具」字「目」與下方分離的字形那些人的意見。而關於「俱」(U+4FF1)與「倶」(U+5036),不管「具」字採用哪個字形,我覺得應按「俞」(U+4FDE)與「兪」(U+516A)等例統一爲同樣字形。

第二,我提「菸」字時,指的問題是「方」部件第一畫顯示爲點,提「碳」字則指「山」部件齊腳處理和「火」部件第一畫點的方向。

我當初表達方式不當,意思不清楚,敬請諒解。

@aikahiiragi
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很抱歉是我表達得不好,我只是普通使用者一名,純粹是看到然後說說自己想法。敬請諒解。

字型檔案會如何,還是由大大決定。

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