Splitting -- Placeholder folders (and files) in user directory for Ladspa, VSTs, themes and templates #1807

curlymorphic · 2015-03-02T17:24:23Z

This issue is to keep track of progress in #1541 as it covers a lot or areas. I am planing on breaking it down into the following areas

I plan on keeping this initial post updated

curlymorphic · 2015-03-02T19:36:39Z

If we are to have a Miscellaneous tab on the setting dialog, we are going to need an icon. I am unfamiliar with lmms artwork, do we already have an icon we can use, or what is required in making one. My gimp skill are not the best, is anyone able to help this this please?

curlymorphic · 2015-03-02T19:37:05Z

ty for cleaning up my original post :)

Sti2nd · 2015-03-02T19:39:18Z

I am not against a new tab, but I want to point out that you could possibly make the window scrollable if you think some settings belong to for example the path tab

curlymorphic · 2015-03-02T19:46:06Z

you could possibly make the window scrollable

Thats a nice idea. It would give us room to expand with ease, and have mimimal impact, on both the user experience, and current code base.

tresf · 2015-03-02T19:46:41Z

I am not against a new tab, but I want to point out that you could possibly make the window scrollable if you think some settings belong to for example the path tab

True... we could just put them at the bottom.

In regards to the artwork, if you make a new button, please make it as ugly as possible. It makes people cringe and then they make a better one.

curlymorphic · 2015-03-02T19:51:31Z

There is the new icon :) until someone donates better

if we need one. Lets see what everyone thinks?

tresf · 2015-03-02T20:01:25Z

There is the new icon :)

Perfect! Haha.

Lets see what everyone thinks?

I think the scroll area is just fine in this case. I think if we put the less used ancillary ones at the very bottom it is actually more effective then putting them on an unrelated Misc tab. 👍

Spekular · 2015-03-02T20:29:56Z

@tresf reminds me of a saying or something from somewhere that I don't quite remember. The general idea is that to get the answer to a question, post an incorrect answer. This prompts people to correct you and gives you the answer much faster than asking the question itself!

curlymorphic · 2015-03-04T21:29:21Z

Small progress. I have wrapped the Path options in a scroll area, and adjusted sizes to suit.

This dialog needs instructions and possibly enhanced to allow multiple selections. It's not obvious that you can have more than one search path for some of these values, that should be spelled out IMO.

It's so un obvious I don't know what ones can have multiple selections, or how. So i gess the questions are

what paths can have multiple selections
how should be be portrayed in the gui.

tresf · 2015-03-04T21:53:37Z

what paths can have multiple selections

Can:

LADSPA PLUGIN PATHS

Should:

VST-PLUGIN DIRECTORY

Will when we add support for it:

SF2-PLUGINS DIRECTORY (name?)
VST-INTRUMENT-PLUGIN DIRECTORY (name?)

Doesn't but may eventually:

THEMES DIRECTORY
STK RAWWAVE DIRECTORY

Can't:

LMMS WORKING DIRECTORY
BACKGROUND ARTWORK
FL STUDIO INSTALLATION DIRECTORY
DEFAULT SOUNDFONT

how should be be portrayed in the gui.

I would recommend a single folder icon for "set directory value" and a different icon (with a plus or multiple folder icon) for "add additional directory value".

-Tres

curlymorphic · 2015-03-05T17:43:18Z

When we are referring to multiple selections, are we meaning the default locations + 1 user location, I currently cant find a way to set more than 1 LADSPA directory.

I would recommend a single folder icon for "set directory value" and a different icon (with a plus or multiple folder icon) for "add additional directory value".

Would clicking on the "plus" icon, add an additional row to the table, with the heading duplicated?

i.e adding a second vst directory would result in this list?

working dir
vst
vst
Themes
backg.........

Sti2nd · 2015-03-05T17:53:29Z

I currently cant find a way to set more than 1 LADSPA directory.

If you cannot by separating the paths with semicolon I guess it is not supported?

tresf · 2015-03-05T18:17:03Z

I currently cant find a way to set more than 1 LADSPA directory.

Neither could #1170 ;)

curlymorphic · 2015-03-05T18:28:06Z

Neither could #1170 ;)

well we have a standard. we use comma separated lists.

now a plus sign makes more sense.

I think i might do a couple of mock up's for this, im having trouble visualizing this on the ui.

tresf · 2015-03-05T19:00:35Z

For starters, we can probably get away with treating the data as a CSV so we don't muck up the GUI too much for a small enhancement and just leave the fields as-is.

We should also consider consolidating on either "PATH" or "DIRECTORY" in the descriptions to be consistent.

-Tres

curlymorphic · 2015-03-05T19:16:20Z

@tresf 👍
That is much better than what I had in mind. I will try and get this done tomorrow, the ui at least.

curlymorphic · 2015-03-05T20:37:09Z

Having experimented, currenlty if you click on the folder icon next to LADSPA, it adds it to a cvs list.

should we keep this current behaviour, or add the plus button?

tresf · 2015-03-05T21:51:39Z

you click on the folder icon next to LADSPA, it adds it to a cvs list.

should we keep this current behaviour, or add the plus button?

Keep, but we should make it clear what is happening. I suggest we use the plural (PATHS or DIRECORIES) and make a modified browse button with a Plus indicator.

If you'd rather not fiddle with the artwork, an ugly mockup should be sufficient until someone has time to make a new pixmap. 👍

-Tres

curlymorphic · 2015-03-05T22:22:59Z

I suggest we use the plural (PATHS or DIRECORIES)

Paths or Directories?

curlymorphic · 2015-03-06T02:22:20Z

Changed The Icon to show Directories that can have multiple values, currenly thats just LADSPA plugings. I will leave the creation of the user plugin directorys, until the plugin phase of this project.
Other than a reorder of the list hopefully the setting dialog is now ready to move onto the next stage.

curlymorphic · 2015-03-06T02:50:57Z

Folders

If i suggest a file structure here, at least we have something to work from.

lmms
____projects
____templates
____samples
________gig
________sf2
____presets
____themes
____plugins
________ladspa
________vsteffects
________vstinstruments

Are there any comments on this, what have I missed?

tresf · 2015-03-06T17:59:01Z

The +folder icon needs to be replaced with a new placeholder I feel (that one is for

Besides that, the GUI looks great to me.

As far as establishing places for this stuff moving forward, I'd really like @Umcaruje @Sti2nd @mikobuntu @grejppi @cubician's opinions. Once we pick these folder names, we're bound to stick with them for year to come, so opinions matter here... :)

mikobuntu · 2015-03-06T18:17:33Z

@tresf @curlymorphic I will have a good think about the folder names and the file structure, but for now yes I agree the "+" icon could do with being more noticeable and I would like the Plugins to actually have their own tab, this I will need to get out pen and paper and have a good think about , but basically " anything that is part of the sound creation should not be in the same tab as themes, installation directories, background artwork etc" imo ;)

curlymorphic · 2015-03-06T18:37:33Z

@curlymorphic"stops coding until design is completed"

mikobuntu · 2015-03-06T18:40:04Z

@curlymorphic " curlymorphic looks at the issue tracker and works on another bug " haha ;)

curlymorphic · 2015-03-06T18:42:41Z

@curlymorphic decides to atleast finish connecting the gig directory up before moving on

tresf · 2015-03-27T13:11:43Z

Dave, thanks for staying on top of this. Please rebase the PR and I think we can merge it in.

curlymorphic · 2015-03-27T13:17:04Z

@tresf you want me to rebase #1791 ?

on a positive note, looking at the code I had already done, theses not too much left to be done on this :)

ps. Ive already just rebased my branch for this issue.

curlymorphic · 2015-03-27T13:26:22Z

Please ignore the above question. :(

curlymorphic · 2015-03-27T15:41:20Z

The Directories are now all correctly added. The new locations are used in there relavant place, (sf2 player uses the sf2 folder), The new folders have been added to the path dialog in a scroll area.

The only outstanding item is @mikobuntu redesign of the dialog, I feel maybe this should be a separate issue?

If anyone wants to look

git clone -b pathDialog https:/curlymorphic/lmms.git

@tresf is it ok / desirable for me to post a test windows build here?'

tresf · 2015-03-27T17:37:34Z

@tresf is it ok / desirable for me to post a test windows build here?'

Please feel free to do to this for any items that you feel aren't getting the proper user feedback. It certainly helps, and then you can tag the Windows users. Just remember that this is a 1.2.x release which may come with some undiscovered bugs of its own! 👍

tresf · 2015-03-27T17:38:27Z

@curlymorphic if you are not sure where to upload the Windows builds to, I would recommend you upload them to https:/curlymorphic/lmms/releases

curlymorphic · 2015-03-27T20:36:14Z

if you are not sure where to upload the Windows builds to, I would recommend you upload them to https:/curlymorphic/lmms/releases

https:/curlymorphic/lmms/releases/download/untagged-5486edfa53ee8f0a37f6/lmmsCurlyDefaultFolderTestmk1.exe.

note. lmms will used currently save folders if you already have them set ( if your reading this im 99.999% sure you do ) so you may want to rename your .lmmsrc.xml so a fresh config is created.

musikBear · 2015-03-28T11:06:48Z

download link leads to a 404 error

curlymorphic · 2015-03-28T11:31:48Z

@musikBear sorry. Maybe I didn,t set up the release properly. I think its done now
https:/curlymorphic/lmms/releases/tag/paths

musikBear · 2015-03-29T09:51:43Z

@curlymorphic its fine now. i will install and come back 👍

..Back :p
What i have done:
Removed' current lmmsrc.xml
Installed PR
The installation goes perfect, except that the info on the forms are in-correctly showing 'installing 1.1.0'

Opend PR
Settings form opens automatically as wanted
Deleted all default path
Inserted new dummies
It is possible to insert a combo-path for ladspa, but not for vst
Saved
lmms correctly shows warning about effectiveness of changes.
Closed & reopend lmms
All path created are preserved

Are there any other tests we want done?

curlymorphic · 2015-03-29T16:45:33Z

@musikBear

thanks for doing this testing :)

in-correctly showing 'installing 1.1.0'

this is based on master, that is still set to 1.1.0, I am assuming that once this forks into the 1.2 branch that will change.

It is possible to insert a combo-path for ladspa, but not for vst

At the moment yes, but that will get addressed by #1837

Are there any other tests we want done?

could be worth checking the sf2 player opens the correct folder, same for gig, please.

I can finally feel a PR comming up :)

tresf · 2015-03-29T18:49:39Z

👍

musikBear · 2015-03-30T11:36:27Z

could be worth checking the sf2 player opens the correct folder, same for gig, please.

will do that later -only thing though -I dont have any 'gig' files, and i do not know where to get any.. so :|

tresf · 2015-03-30T12:42:37Z

@musikBear try this:

http://www.flamestudios.org/free/GigaSamples

curlymorphic · 2015-03-30T12:54:35Z

@musikBear cheers for the effort, The tests my end work ok, so im going to open a PR.

musikBear · 2015-03-30T16:33:40Z

@musikBear cheers for the effort, The tests my end work ok, so im going to open a PR.

@curlymorphic -Just ping me if you like more tests. Looking fwd to the PR 👍

tresf · 2015-03-30T16:57:17Z

@musikBear did you manage to download and test a .gig file? Here's a small one: FS_Percussion.tar.bz2. Extract with 7-zip on Windows.

-Tres

musikBear · 2015-03-31T10:18:09Z

Here's a small one:

Harh harh ha.. u 👹
I found one, but it wont unpack - Besides, These files unpack to gigabyte size.. Oo
What is so absurdly marvelous with gig? They are 'real' samples, i guess, but is that quality preserved in exports. At least my, admitted outdated, system, does not have space for samples in gigabyte disk-size, nor does my isp monthly '-limit' fair-use allow me to dl files of that size..

tresf · 2015-03-31T13:19:10Z

What is so absurdly marvelous with gig?

Very similar to soundfonts. If you don't appreciate soundfonts, you won't appreciate Giga banks either.

I found one, but it wont unpack - Besides, These files unpack to gigabyte size..

I linked one for you that was in MB, not GB. #1807 (comment)

tresf · 2015-04-13T20:22:12Z

@curlymorphic how are we with test results on this? Should we merge?

-Tres

curlymorphic · 2015-04-13T21:14:32Z

@tresf

So far this has only been tested by myself and @musikBear , My test releases seem to not get too much attention.

I would say merge it,

tresf · 2015-04-13T21:23:16Z

Tremendous Dave. This puts a big smile on my face. 🚀

curlymorphic · 2015-04-13T21:43:28Z

:)

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Placeholder folders (and files) in user directory for Ladspa, VSTs, themes and templates #1541

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Splitting -- Placeholder folders (and files) in user directory for Ladspa, VSTs, themes and templates #1807

Splitting -- Placeholder folders (and files) in user directory for Ladspa, VSTs, themes and templates #1807

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