docs: channel object / $ref note. #826

ponelat · 2022-08-22T10:35:34Z

title: ✏️ Update docs: Channel Object / $ref note.

This is to prevent confusion around whether folks can/should make use of $refs under #/channels.

Hopefully it is

True
Does not discourage use of $ref in $.channels.*.$ref
Conforms to ChannelItem.$ref field deprecation + proposal how to replace it with simpler and more flexible solution #607 (comment)

Change note about `$ref` fixed field, to prevent scaring folks off from using `$ref` under `channels`.

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char0n · 2022-08-22T11:42:27Z

spec/asyncapi.md

@@ -569,7 +569,7 @@ Describes the operations available on a single channel.

 Field Name | Type | Description
 ---|:---:|---
-<a name="channelItemObjectRef"></a>$ref | `string` | Allows for an external definition of this channel item. The referenced structure MUST be in the format of a [Channel Item Object](#channelItemObject). If there are conflicts between the referenced definition and this Channel Item's definition, the behavior is *undefined*. <br/><br/>**Deprecated:** Usage of the `$ref` property has been deprecated.
+<a name="channelItemObjectRef"></a>$ref | `string` | Allows for an external definition of this channel item. The referenced structure MUST be in the format of a [Channel Item Object](#channelItemObject). If there are conflicts between the referenced definition and this Channel Item's definition, the behavior is *undefined*. <br/><br/>**Technical Note:** Going forward, `$ref` will no longer form part of these _fixed fields_, but will continue to function in the same role, as part of [Reference Object](#referenceObject).


Hi @ponelat,

Thanks for the proposal, here are couple of notes I have to this change:

Removal of deprecation message

If we remove the deprecation message, it's going to look like a cosmetic change, but it's not. We're actually removing a fixed field from the Channel Item Object, which will change the way, how the eventual transcluded referenced value shape will look like (merging). I think we can make the deprecation message more precise by doing following change to clarify the deprecation scope:

**Deprecated:** Usage of the `$ref` property has been deprecated when accompanied with one or more fixed fields from Channel Item Object`.

We did the same change in OpenAPI specification some time ago to Path Item Object - https:/OAI/OpenAPI-Specification/pull/2656/files

Self containment

The wording of the change is IMHO not self-contained. The wording inside one version of the spec should probably not refer to the future version of the spec - OAI/OpenAPI-Specification#2656 (comment)

Different behavior

but will continue to function in the same role, as part of [Reference Object](#referenceObject) - this might not be true. Reference Object does't allow additional fields, which means, no merging with referenced value is performed. ChannelItem.$ref does allow additional fields, which gets merged with the referenced value. If there is a conflict, the behavior is undefined, but most implementations do merge using right shallow merge algorithm.

Hey @char0n ,

Removal of deprecation message
Understood, although without highlighting how it can be used outside of fixed fields, then it reads as "Don't use $ref here".

Perhaps a tweak on your suggestion:

Deprecated: Using $ref with sibling fixed fields has been deprecated. Usage without any siblings is still encouraged!
The motivation behind changing the wording: highlighting that a specific usage of $ref is deprecated.

Self containment and Different behavior. Understood and agreed.

The tweak sounds great, and is aligned with #699

Made the change.

I have to disagree with you. IMHO, the sentence Using $ref with sibling fixed fields has been deprecated. Usage without any siblings is still encouraged! is very difficult to understand. In particular, the word siblings and referring to fixed fields sounds confusing to me.

WDYT about this version?

Usage of the $ref property has been deprecated when accompanied by any of the other properties of a Channel Item Object.

Hi @smoya,

Usage of the $ref property has been deprecated when accompanied by any of the other properties of a Channel Item Object.

When using https://grammarly.com/ to analyze the sentence, there are two suggestions to it:

Passive voice - This sentence appears to be written in the passive voice. Consider writing in the active voice.

Wordy sentence - Too many non-content words may indicate wordiness. Consider rewriting to avoid some of these words: of, the, has, been, when, by, any, a

IMHO @ponelat intention was to make explicit that if you use $ref without any other properties nothing will change in the future.

I propose another suggestion that passes grammarly and is less technical (possibly less confusing as well):

Using $ref property has been deprecated when accompanied by other properties.

This doesn't suffer from passive voice and wordy sentence issues and it aligned with your suggestion. properties is already used within the spec to refer to fixed or pattern fields. For me personally it also implicitly communicates that using $ref with no additional properties is not deprecated and will continue to functional equivalently, but IMHO it's worth considering if we want to communicate explicitly as @ponelat did in his suggestion as a second sentence.

I'm happy with:

Using $ref property has been deprecated when accompanied by other properties.

Let's see what others say.

cc @alequetzalli @derberg

Updated, but used field instead of property, to be consistent with the column name Field name and the section Fixed Fields.

fmvilas

LGTM. @ponelat I changed the title to make it conformant to the rules.

smoya · 2022-08-25T09:31:33Z

LGTM. @ponelat I changed the title to make it conformant to the rules.

Not sure you saw (I think its marked as resolved?) we were discussing about the wording here #826 (comment)

fmvilas · 2022-08-25T09:32:58Z

No, didn't see. Thanks for pointing out.

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char0n · 2022-09-06T11:22:35Z

Hi @derberg, would you mind looking in this PR? Thanks!

derberg · 2022-09-07T14:28:43Z

Hey, sorry but I'm not a native speaker, and Using the $ref field has been deprecated when accompanied by other fields is totally confusing for me. For me, deprecated means deprecated and when accompanied by other fields is confusing. What other fields? Users should not use $ref at all as it is deprecated and in 3.0 goes away -> #777

char0n · 2022-09-07T16:39:17Z

Hey, sorry but I'm not a native speaker, and Using the $ref field has been deprecated when accompanied by other fields is totally confusing for me. For me, deprecated means deprecated and when accompanied by other fields is confusing. What other fields? Users should not use $ref at all as it is deprecated and in 3.0 goes away -> #777

@derberg

Deprecated: Usage of the $ref property has been deprecated.
vs
Deprecated: Using the $ref field has been deprecated when accompanied by other fields.

We're removing the $ref field in Channel Item Object and replacing it with union type of Channel Item Object | Reference Object. That means that all the shapes where union type Channel Item Object | Reference Object is expected and the shape will contain $ref field will always be semantically recognized as Reference Object and not as Channel Item Object. Reference Object ignores all additional properties, instead of merging them with referenced structure. Hence the more precise deprecation message.

Saying it also in different way:

All the Channel Item Object shapes with single $ref field will automatically become Reference Objects in future version of the spec and will have exactly the same behavior of resolution.

All the Channel Item Object shapes with $ref field and additional fields will automatically become Reference Objects in future version of the spec and and all the additional fields will be ignored instead of merging them with referenced structure.

More info in: #607 and OAI/OpenAPI-Specification#2656 (comment) (just imagine that Channel Item Object === Path Item Object)

char0n · 2022-09-09T16:57:45Z

@derberg did my explanation helped a bit?

derberg · 2022-09-21T13:21:54Z

thanks a lot for the explanation 🙏🏼

How about:

`Channel Item Object` with $ref field and additional properties will automatically become Reference Objects in future versions of the spec, and all the additional properties will be ??? instead of merging with referenced structure.

how about this way?

The most important part is ??? as you wrote ignore. This is a problem. For example we use https:/APIDevTools/json-schema-ref-parser in the parser and it basically overrides what comes from a referenced object with what is in the original object. In other words, what is in the original object is preserved, not overwritten or ignored.

JSON reference says:

A JSON Reference is a JSON object, which contains a member named
   "$ref", which has a JSON string value.  Example:

   { "$ref": "http://example.com/example.json#/foo/bar" }

   If a JSON value does not have these characteristics, then it SHOULD
   NOT be interpreted as a JSON Reference.

my question is:

shouldn't we make sure that our json schemas are written in a way that if you have properties other than $ref, then it is invalid ref object,
wouldn't be better to just say that $ref used with other properties will fail validation

??

char0n · 2022-09-22T07:23:43Z

Channel Item Object with $ref field and additional properties will automatically become Reference Objects in future versions of the spec, and all the additional properties will be ??? instead of merging with referenced structure.

As I pointed in #826 (comment) (and other issues and comments) - the wording of the suggested change is IMHO not self-contained. The wording inside one version of the spec should probably not refer to the future version of the spec (as this version of the spec can be the last one) - OAI/OpenAPI-Specification#2656 (comment)

For example we use https:/APIDevTools/json-schema-ref-parser in the parser and it basically overrides what comes from a referenced object with what is in the original object. In other words, what is in the original object is preserved, not overwritten or ignored.

This looks like an issue of the tooling. The specification is crystal clear that Reference Object additional properties SHALL be ignored. In OpenAPI 3.1 for example the Reference Object allows two additional fields - summary and description (other fields SHALL be ignored as well).

If a JSON value does not have these characteristics, then it SHOULD NOT be interpreted as a JSON Reference.

IMHO this is why the Reference Object in AsyncAPI spec provides clarification that additional fields SHALL be ignored and as soon as there is $ref field the characteristics of JSON Reference spec is satisfied.

shouldn't we make sure that our json schemas are written in a way that if you have properties other than $ref, then it is invalid ref object,

IMHO no. Additional fields allows to annotate Reference Object with additional non-semantic information, that tooling can use in auxiliary ways - as long as auxiliary ways are comfort-ant with the spec.

wouldn't be better to just say that $ref used with other properties will fail validation

As per my answer above.

derberg · 2022-09-26T13:34:47Z

Thanks for all the explanation @char0n

I would only make a small suggestion that instead of Using the $ref field has been deprecated when accompanied by other fields. we write Using the $ref property together with other properties is deprecated since 2.3 version of the specification.. Thoughts?

char0n · 2022-09-27T07:13:30Z

Using the $ref property together with other properties is deprecated since 2.3 version of the specification.

IMHO together word here can be understand in ambiguous way. Mentioning the version number, I guess I'm fine with it but what purpose does it serve? Here are variations of your suggestion after analyzing the grammar with grammarly.com.

Using the $ref property along with other properties is deprecated since the 2.3.0 version of the specification.

Using the $ref property with other properties is deprecated since the 2.3.0 version of the specification.

Used grammarly.com to analyze the wording.

I guess I still prefer Using $ref property has been deprecated when accompanied by other properties. the most.

char0n · 2023-02-05T20:55:27Z

@derberg I'd like to move this forward a bit. Any preference on one of the following sentences? It's basically your suggestion run via grammarly.com.

Using the $ref property along with other properties is deprecated since the 2.3.0 version of the specification.

Using the $ref property with other properties is deprecated since the 2.3.0 version of the specification.

derberg · 2023-02-06T16:20:48Z

I'm ok with Using $ref property has been deprecated when accompanied by other properties..

I like Using the $ref property with other properties is deprecated since the 2.3.0 version of the specification. the most but will not argue to include info about 2.3.

It's just that the reality is that there are people that do not read spec on website, or on github specific tag. They read raw spec on master, so it would be useful to have text that specify since what version was the property deprecated. It is also common in other kind of docs to explicitly specify since what version something was deprecated, otherwise you need to play with blame.

Have a look at below, why I think people read from master 👇🏼
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char0n · 2023-02-08T16:09:55Z

@derberg I'm fine with either of your sentences. @ponelat what do you think?

They read raw spec on master

As I do ;]

It is also common in other kind of docs to explicitly specify since what version something was deprecated, otherwise you need to play with blame.

Right, I'm not arguing that. What I said was: The wording inside one version of the spec should probably not refer to the future version of the spec. So my argument is that we shouldn't refer to the future versions of the spec (to keep it self-contained) as this might be the last version of the spec released.

ponelat · 2023-02-09T09:37:57Z

Thanks @char0n @derberg I'm happy with the word changes, and I see adding the version as a good thing .

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@char0n please approve and merge. I took the liberty to update PR and solve merge conflicts to not bother and ping @ponelat

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derberg · 2023-09-28T07:02:06Z

@jonaslagoni thanks

@char0n please have a final look and approve

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@char0n hey man, would be good to merge it before 3.0

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Looks good. Good to go!

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